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Date: 2011-08-28 11:32
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Tags:identi.ca, rants, twitter
Subject: Twitter and identi.ca

I'm thinking of leaving Twitter.

It's mainly because they force that damn t.co URL shortener on all links posted via the service. They don't do this for user convenience, because they even apply it to links that are already shortened by bit.ly or similar. No, they're doing it for analytics; they want to know what people are clicking on. And I'm damned if I'm going to give them that information. I wrote a Greasemonkey userscript that prevents my browser from going to t.co URLs that I click on the Twitter site, but it seems they still have some analytics that run when you click a link, separate from the t.co shortening. I still need to disable that, too.

(And yes, I know that I already give Google that information when I click on a result on searches. Or rather, I did; I just looked and found that it's trivial to stop the URL mangling that Google does when you click on a link, so I just wrote a Greasemonkey script to stop that, too. This also gives me the advantage that I will no longer bombard anybody with long Google URLs when I right-click a link in the results and copy it to my clipboard. But anyway, this is kinda beside the point.)

I would use https://identi.ca/ , but their Terms of Service state:

By submitting Content to Operator for inclusion on your Website, you grant all readers the right to use, re-use, modify and/or re-distribute the Content under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0.


I wouldn't have a problem with this if "Content" just meant the text, but if you look to see the definition of "Content", you find that it means anything covered by the action of "[making] (or [allowing] any third party to make) material available by means of the Website". In other words, if you link to a photo/fanfic/tune/etc. of yours via the site, whatever you submitted is then (assuming you have the rights to do so) released under the CC-BY license, because you made it available by means of the site.

I can't agree to that. If I submit any creative works to identi.ca, I don't to want to be forced to release it under a CC-BY license. So, I haven't signed up for it, much as I want to move away from Twitter.

By the way, the ToS are not shown to you during registration, or at least not on the first step. You do get a checkbox that you have to select to move forward, labelled "My text and files are available under Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 except this private data: password, email address, IM address, and phone number.", but no direct link to the ToS. This makes it even worse; legally, there's nothing there to stop someone from interpreting it as "All your files are licensed under CC-BY, even if you didn't submit them to the site". Obviously, if it came to that then this would be legally unenforceable (and of course it's not what identi.ca are talking about anyway), but still, I have a mistrust of the legal system to get things right.

It's a shame that Twitter are driving me away, because I really like the service. >_< And identi.ca is the only alternative I know that's even remotely popular compared to Twitter...

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User: [personal profile] floatboth
Date: 2011-08-28 12:09 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

identi.ca's just ugly, that's why I left it. I'm fine with CC-BY, but I actually prefer CC Zero 8) Linked content is NOT required to be CC-BY, you can link to whatever you want. They don't even know if you're linking to your content or others'.

These "taco links" are awful because it doesn't shorten my URLs. It enlarges them. I bought a domain for my links (mfwb.us) and they're shorter than t.co. And looks cooler. Now they look like any other links >_< At least I have my own stats too.

If you use Twitter via a browser, you can just move to rstat.us :-) I tried this but I just can't stop using Twitterrific (Mac + iOS) and Wren (Mac).

About Google: you can just search using DuckDuckGo. It's Google (and others), without tracking and bubbling.

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User: [personal profile] feathertail
Date: 2011-08-28 18:50 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

IANAL, but the Identi.ca TOS are derived from the WordPress TOS, and I'm pretty sure Automattic doesn't consider stuff that you link to on WordPress.com to be "Content" that you're "[making] available by means of the Website". Not only would that be unenforcable, it'd make every single user a violator of the TOS, for linking to stuff they don't own that is not CC-By.

Of course, if you don't like it you can always roll your own. Identi.ca's pretty ugly anyway. >.>;

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Chell
User: [personal profile] labrat
Date: 2011-08-28 22:39 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

May we please have your Greasemonkey scripts? We'd like to stop as much analytics as possible.

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kjw
User: [personal profile] kjwcode
Date: 2011-08-29 03:46 (UTC)
Subject: Moving en masse...

I don't know enough French to know how to say "en masse, but not as big". ;)

I'd switch to just about any other service (with good ToS, etc.) if there were twenty or so people there I'd know that would serve as the start of a community until more people arrived. That's a much smaller contingency than a change by the public at large. Is anyone interested in booting up a community here to bring together those who want to switch in such a manner?

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Sophie
User: [personal profile] sophie
Date: 2011-10-22 17:07 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Moving en masse...

I've been thinking about this. The only problem is that these sort of services really require federation, but Twitter doesn't do federation...

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MM Writes
User: [personal profile] marahmarie
Date: 2011-08-31 01:17 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

It's mainly because they force that damn t.co URL shortener on all links posted via the service.

Related, sort of: I'm having the same problem with Shareaholic on my new website - except it's posting short URLs to Twitter via goo.gl instead of t.co (if you visit my Twitter on my latest tweet, there it is in action). I can't stand Google so anything that relies on it for anything gives me anxiety (also related: Shareaholic calls Google Analytics on every page load, and while the script can be edited out of the .php files, it takes forever to do so - I did it once, then reinstalled my entire website, and couldn't be bothered doing it again, though I would still like to someday).

I'm pretty sure I could dig through the plugin UI to change where the Twitter URL points to and now that I think about it (I've barely had time to think about it) I think I will. But just out of curiosity let me check something on Twitter ...OK, never mind, the fail whale's up again. *shakes head*

I think Twitter can be a great service for spreading information but between the forced URL shortener that you mention and the service problems (they are always over-capacity, wth) sometimes I wish there was something "like Twitter but better" (and for a while, I almost thought that might be FriendFeed, but once I saw Robert Scoble lived on it, uh no no no).

Edit: also, re Google long URLs in result pages: not sure which browser/OS you're using, but I use the Optimize Google Firefox add-on on a Win OS to make those links point directly to the websites themselves (OG can be set to not only remove the click-tracking from Google results altogether, but can also issue you an anon cookie and ID which will let you browse *more* privately. Google will still track you - quite brilliantly, in fact - by IP address alone, but at least the features OG offers are an improvement over Google's very nosy default).

Edited (more info/prettyifying/omg more clarity, too) 2011-08-31 03:00 am (UTC)

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