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Date: 2012-04-04 23:43
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Tags:dr james barrett, gender identity, gender identity clinic, gender identity: hormones
Subject: Hello, world!

I'm so sorry for seemingly dropping off the face of the Earth. (Or at least Dreamwidth; I've been pretty active elsewhere, but still.)

Lots of things have happened since the last time I posted. Let's go through them!

  1. Firstly, I got copied on this letter from Dr James Barrett to my GP (a transcription of which is below for those who need it), asking my GP to prescribe me estradiol valerate (a form of oestrogen), along with an anti-androgen in the form of a gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogue called Decapeptyl (yes, that is the correct link; Decapeptyl is a brand name for Triptorelin). Finally, it asks for a two-week prescription of cyproterone acetate to prevent the so-called "flare effect" associated with using GnRH agonists; namely, at the start of treatment, testosterone levels will actually go *up* before they go down. The cyproterone acts as a testosterone blocker, but is pretty harsh on the body, which is why it's only ever prescribed for a short period of time.

    Here's a transcription of the letter:

    Dear [my doctor],

    Re: Sophie HAMILTON -- DOB: [my date of birth]

    I write regarding the above named patient having discussed her with my Consultant Endocrinologist colleague, Dr Seal.

    She is somebody who would be appropriate to treat according to our clinic protocol and accordingly I would be grateful if you could prescribe her Estradiol Valerate at a dose of 2mg a day, rising after 3 months to 2mg twice a day. In concert with this she would need to have her native androgen production suppressed and to this end, I would be grateful if she could be given a gonadotrophin releasing hormone analogue, any would do, but we usually suggest Decapeptyl at a dose of 11.25mg every 12 weeks, which is to say precisely the formulation used in prostate cancer. [ed: I'm assuming that he meant to say the formulation used in treating prostate cancer...]

    As ever with the use of gonadotrophin releasing hormone analogues, for the first 2 weeks after the first injection only, there is a brief but marked rise in androgens and so for that 2 week period only, she will need additional dosing with Cyproterone Acetate at 50mg a day. This can stop after the first 2 weeks and need not ever be used again. This treatment is decidedly safe as you will see from the information I have included with this letter. If there is any problem with you prescribing it, please do not hesitate to get back to me as quickly as possible.

    Yours sincerely

    [signature]

    James Barret. BSc MSc FRCPsych
    Consultant Psychiatrist/Lead Clinician

    cc: Ms Sophie Hamilton
    [my address]


    This is all what I was expecting to get the first time round when I went to my GP to collect the prescriptions, but didn't get at the time. (There was a small change; I was expecting Zoladex (goserelin acetate) as the GnRH analogue because I knew that's what some trans friends of mine were on. Instead, I'm on Decapeptyl, which I hadn't heard about before now.)

  2. With an actual letter having been sent, this time I managed to get the prescriptions easily. Getting the actual medications, though, proved to be a bit more difficult, because I was just about to have a five-day break with [personal profile] cxcvi in Cardiff, which involved driving there and then back, taking three hours each way. I didn't want to risk not being able to do that, and besides, there really wasn't any time. Because of that, I decided to take the prescriptions with me, get the medications in Cardiff, and then drive home and see what I could do with them.

  3. I didn't have any problems in getting the medications, but one thing that I discovered was that rather than the Progynova (estradiol valerate) I was expecting, I got Estelle Solo (estradiol hemihydrate) instead. It turned out that my GP had put just "estradiol" on the prescription, rather than specifically saying "estradiol valerate" as they had done the last time. From everything I can see, however, they should be interchangeable. I think I'll ask the GIC about it just in case though.

  4. I knew that the Decapeptyl was going to have to be injected, and when I had asked the GP to write the prescriptions, my GP (or rather, the GP I was seeing - my own GP wasn't working that day) said that it would probably be a good idea to have the first injection done at the local hospital, and have them show me how it was done so that subsequent injections could be done by myself. That seemed logical to me.

    So, on my way back from Cardiff, I stopped by at the hospital and tried to find out what I could. To cut a (very) long story short, I was told that the GP had got it wrong for two reasons. Firstly, the hospital didn't do this sort of thing; it'd need to be done by the nurse at my surgery. Secondly, Decapeptyl is an intramuscular injection, meaning an injection directly into a muscle. In this case, it's normally done in the patient's bottom, and as such it wasn't something I would be able to do myself at all; I'd always have to have it administered by someone else. So I called my GP back and have made an appointment to have that done.
And that's about everything regarding my transition so far! My appointment to be injected is on the 13th of April - just over a week from now. From that point is what I'll consider to be my true beginning of hormones, since the estradiol on its own won't be doing a lot without an anti-androgen!

(In fact, to put a frame of reference on it - today I noticed that my nipples are getting sore. This is a normal part of the process, but it normally happens in 2-3 days after starting, assuming an anti-androgen is in place. For me, though, it's been 2-3 months instead. Things should drastically speed up once I'm on the anti-androgen though!)

I've been slacking with taking pictures a bit since I wasn't actually going anywhere fast, but once I start the new meds I'll definitely start again. (And no, nobody's missed anything; I haven't posted any to my journal yet.)

Again, apologies for falling off Dreamwidth! I hope this update was enough to assure you that things are happening. :D

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princessofgeeks
User: [personal profile] princessofgeeks
Date: 2012-04-05 00:21 (UTC)
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Progress is being made! So happy for you.

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chisotahn / 記録係
User: [personal profile] chisotahn
Date: 2012-04-05 01:55 (UTC)
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Yay, progress! That is full of awesomeness. :D Good to hear from you~

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Drew M.C.: Barcode
User: [personal profile] dreamatdrew
Date: 2012-04-05 02:14 (UTC)
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YAY!

Also: minor transcription error:
a dost of 2mg a day, rising after 3 months to 2mg a day.
The second dosage should read "2mg twice a day". (Yus, there is also the typo, but that's a typo, not a meaning change.)

*HUGS*
YAY SOPHIE!

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Sophie
User: [personal profile] sophie
Date: 2012-04-05 02:20 (UTC)
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Oh, thanks for catching that! Will fix that and the typo now :)

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User: [personal profile] rho
Date: 2012-04-05 04:01 (UTC)
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The valerate and the hemihydrate ought to be equivalent, yes. Ifmemory serves, they're both metabolised into the same thing, and it's that metabolite (estradiol, I think) that has the actual clinical effect. And the dosages are given in terms of the equivalent mass of estradiol, rather than the actual mass of the hemihydrate or valerate. So it shouldn't make any sort of a difference.

The one slight gotcha is that because they metabolise differently, it's possible (but by no means certain; it depends on your body chemistry) that you may end up getting slightly hormonally imbalanced for a few days any time you switch between the two.

Goserelin requires an intra-abdominal injection, which also isn't really something that you can easily give yourself, so you aren't losing out on that front by having the triptorelin instead.

Am glad to see that they've recommended the dosage of triptorelin that's once every twelve weeks rather than once every four weeks. Getting jabbed in the bum once every four weeks is a pain in the arse.

Finally, I know I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again: Cyproterone is a nasty drug. There aren't really any long-term risks with only taking it for a fortnight, as the letter mentions, but it is still a fairly potent clinical depressant, and you should prepare for the possibility of two weeks of pretty bad depression.

Oh, and actually-finally: congratulations!

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primum non nocere sans documentum: ears
User: [personal profile] delight
Date: 2012-04-05 12:30 (UTC)
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You can also take IM injections in higher doses (not the ones for the arm; I mean, it'd work, but why?) in the vastus lateralis muscle -- in the thigh. So you can, indeed, dose yourself! I have had patients do so with the same drug. I'd have to know your dose to be 100% sure, but it should be cool as a self-administer without issue.

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Sophie
User: [personal profile] sophie
Date: 2012-04-05 14:16 (UTC)
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Interesting! If it helps, the dose is mentioned in the letter - 11.25mg of Decapeptyl every 12 weeks.

I'd still like to get the first one done by a professional either way, of course. :D

[edit: Oh, right, I guess the dose in the letter was technically just a suggestion. As it happens, though, it's what I've been prescribed, so that's what I'll be getting!]

Edited 2012-04-05 02:17 pm (UTC)

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primum non nocere sans documentum: asked you nicely once
User: [personal profile] delight
Date: 2012-04-05 14:36 (UTC)
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Of course it was; I was reading it on my phone and have been awake for 28 hours, so it figures I just completely missed the dose. This is what I get for trying to offer a professional opinion and not actually being up to professional standards of wakefulness: just totally not reading something.

Anyway, yes, having a professional do it for you and teach you how to use the vastus lateralis site is definitely a good plan. :) Wading through this monograph (Lupron is triptorelin in the US/CA; I don't know if the UK has it under that brand) indicates it can be done in the VL without complications, but if your doctor says no obviously I am wrong/there is a specific reason that for you it can't be done. It sure won't hurt to ask though!



My turn to ETA: Technically, it is just a very very close relative of triptorelin that does the exact same thing, not a bioidentical -- so that was actually inaccurate. Pharmacology fail! If my meds let me sleep I'm sure I would be much more on the ball.

Edited 2012-04-05 02:38 pm (UTC)

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User: [personal profile] jewelfox
Date: 2012-04-05 17:31 (UTC)
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Congratulations. ^.^

Have you noticed any psychological effects? I'm told there are some. >.>

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User: [personal profile] xia2012
Date: 2012-09-20 05:54 (UTC)
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Hi Sophie,
I have been reading ur journals on transition and im stuck in the same problems which u have faced in Gid clinic,i got my prescription similar to urs just diff dosage...my gp prescribed me estrodial as well instead of est valerate,but she is not prescribing me decapepty or cypro at all!!! She says primary care(pct) didn't gave her permission for that! Do u have any idea what should i do!
I will be very grateful if u give ur opinion on this.
Thanks
x

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Sophie
User: [personal profile] sophie
Date: 2012-10-14 14:49 (UTC)
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Hiya,

I'm really sorry I didn't get to your comment before now! I've been busy with moving house and I accidentally missed your comment.

The GP won't be able to prescribe the Decapeptyl or Cypro on their own; they need the GIC to authorise it. You'll need to ask the GIC about it, probably on your next appointment, and ask them why they prescribed you Estradiol but not an anti-androgen.

I'd like to hear what they say, if you're okay with that! And again, I'm so sorry for not answering before now.

Edited 2012-10-14 02:49 pm (UTC)

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